I sort of interpret the third time as Matt finally crossing that line. In season 2, everyone was saying that he will kill. Frank literally said that, "You're one bad day away from being me". Before the ship explosion Matt even told Frank that he would kill. That " bad day" came in Elektra's death. Right after he realizes that he wants to be with Elektra, she is killed. Which probably pushes him to the deep end. As we see, his anger takes hold. Frank just kills two people right in front of him and he doesn't give two shits about it and instead goes straight for Nobu. He beats the shit out of him and throws him off the building. Notice how he didn't care that Frank killed. So, he probably decided that he would kill too
"killing" Nobu is kind of an exceptional case because he has already died and been brought back to life by The Hand, so it's like "killing" a dead man that doesn't really stay dead.
Surprised there is no mention of Foggy. Foggy is another way Matt keeps himself grounded, and often serves as Matt's conscience in both the comic and tv show. If anyone was to represent the "good" in the series it would be Foggy.
I loved Foggy as a character in the comics and the show. Actors did great job making us feel the friendship between Matt and Foggy. I was so happy to see foggy back in Luke cage
I love how the show incorporates Catholic values into the show just as a part of the character. Exactly how it should be done to honour the background of the character in a way that makes sense, influences the plot and is subtle enough not to be what the show is about, it's just an aspect of Matt's character. I love it;
X Factor I wouldn’t say it’s made the show horrible at all. I’m about as atheist as you can get, but Matt Murdock is a catholic and it’s an important part of his character, so it should be part of the show
X Factor, one of the core aspects of Daredevil's Identity is his background, being an Irish-American Catholic that lives in a crime ridden neighborhood in Manhattan, Hells Kitchen incidentally being a historically Irish neighborhood. Of all comic book heroes, Daredevil would be in the top 5 list for religion defining their character. Also, I audibly chuckled when I saw someone with the Harp of Erin as their profile picture praising the show on its depiction of Catholicism.
I'm a baptist, so I'm not that thrilled with some of the things Catholics believe. However, they somehow managed to implement into the show, and his character so believably, that I'm actually blown away. Season 3 did this exceptionally well. In the first few episodes, we see Matt's anger toward God, and his struggle to accept everything that's happened to him. All his anger and confusion sounds like a real person questioning why a loving God would allow or even cause bad stuff to happen. This causes him push away his friends and dive deeper into his angry alter ego. However, after almost losing Karen, he finally allows his friends back into his life. He finally gets a glimmer of his old self back. In the end, once he finally beats Fisk, he's finally able to find peace with himself and God. He finally sees the bigger picture. And for the first time, he's finally able to win for once. Now, I'm not a Catholic. And I really don't like a lot of their beliefs. But, this show actually encouraged me in my faith somehow. With how brutal and gritty this show is, you'd think it'd be very anti-christion. Is the Christian representation in Daredevil perfect? No, not at all. But man, it really created a compelling character arc without being too offensive.
"Daredevil is a Batman rip-off..." Christ, do your research... In fact, LARGE chunks of Batman's modern 'League of Shadows' origin story (the one depicted in Batman Begins)... are actually stolen from Frank Miller's DAREDEVIL... not the other way around. Hell, there was a period in the '80s and '90s where DC Comics was hiring away literally _every_ Daredevil creative team - _immediately_ after their contracts were up - to work on Batman. Incidentally, Batman is actually plagiarized from 'The Shadow' to begin with. So it's a bit absurd to claim anyone is ripping off a character who is, himself, a rip-off.
Batman is not only plagiarized from The Shadow but also from other pulps heroes like Black Bat (he literally stole the Batmobile from this guy), El Zorro (Double identity: Don Diego de la Vega/ Bruce Wayne) and even a Victorian urban legend: Spring-heeled Jack. So yeah, cool video, like, but get your facts right.
One interesting line that defines the Punisher was said by Castle himeself, to Daredevil of all people. Frank, tired of Matt Murdock's moralistic BS knocked him out and chained him up while taping a gun to his hand. Punisher then told him he was about to kill a criminal and the only way to stop to him was with a headshot. If Daredevil didn't he would have a death on his conscious he could've prevented, and if he did, he himself would be a murderer. When daredevil asked what kind of choice that was, frank just said "the one I make every time I pull the trigger."
Regarding kicking ass: One of the tenets of Matt's struggle with his "inner demons" is whether or not he enjoys beating people up. As he's constantly told about how ineffective his tactics are, we start to wonder whether he's doing this simply because he wants to, independent of any effects it may have on the city. This mirrors the audience's situation surprisingly closely. Are we watching this ass-kicking because we want to see the good guys win and the bad guys lose, or are we watching simply because we enjoy the violence?
HoodieSticks Greg heffly Reg Fly Freg ly Fregly Greg heffly = Fregly. Fregly is Greg Heffly's alter ego, who is actually "real" Greg Heffly. The Greg Heffly we see in the books is just the one he wants you to see, the part of him who wants to be famous. Fregly is Greg Heffly.
Both. It doesn't even have to be the good guys doing the beating. As long as our sense of retributive justice is satisfied. Like when Fisk threw the warden from Shawshank down an elevator shaft.
***** He is a Christian, resurrecting has a positive value for him. Though he had trouble to believe it when Stick told him. I hope they will dig that question in season 3.
Pretty sure christians don't inherently think resurrecting is good, I mean if maybe a loved one died and came back miracle, but a mortal enemy, a plague, or even demonic in there eyes.
+Chris East Exactly, in some of the Gospels religious leaders actually call Jesus out for healing and resurrecting others as demonic action. In Christianity it's usually the reason that justifies (or condemns) the action.
Daredevil is NOT a Batman rip-off. Frank Miller did Daredevil justice way before he redefined Batman, which is the Batman we know now. Daredevil > Batman any day.
You are right daredevil isn't a batman rip-off. When first introduced with his bright yellow outfit he had more similarities to spiderman than anything else, from the death of his dad when he was in college to being a book worm who people thought was weak. It wasnt until 1979 when a young frank miller (who was a very huge batman fan) started writing his stories that he became batman like. He started writing daredevil with ideas and concepts that he had for batman, he did this so much marvel had to tell him to rewrite sometimes because he was making it to much like batman. Miller made a spiderman like character into a batman like character. He made him into a ninja that only comes out at night when originally he would come out a lot during the day. He is not marvel batman rip-off though he just takes a lot of inspiration from him, marvels batman ripoff is moonknight straight down to the butler.
TheKeyser94 I think it's because he's a good actor. ***** I haven't seen the second season yet, but I hear it's great. A lot of people like this Punisher better than the one in the movies.
Jesse Taylor I never say that he was a bad actor, I say that he had done this kind of character before, so he have a lot experience of doing morally ambiguous characters.
Killing does not strictly equal murder. Even the bible when correctly translated makes the distinction, the commandment is "thou shalt not 'murder'" not kill
For someone discussing the matter of philosophy of Daredevil, did he even bother to touch upon the matter of the "Principle of Double Effect"? Basically, the Principle of Double Effect is that in a circumstance where committing a deed has one good outcome and one bad outcome, it is okay to commit the deed so long as 1) there was no intent for the bad outcome (the person committing this act may be aware of the potential for the bad outcome) and 2) the good outcome does not itself come out of an immoral action. This principle justifies self-defense in that if one person is using violent force to threaten another person's life, the other person is able to retaliate to put a stop to that violent force. So long as it's done without the express intent to kill the person, even should the person defending him/herself be well aware of the possibility that their attacker could die. If anything, Matt Murdock's actions did not intentionally burn Nobu. If anything, Nobu's body being set on fire was a direct consequence of Nobu's own actions.
Exactly right. Which explains why Daredevil is so brutal in combat, dishing out injuries which could easily kill. He stops short of cold blooded premeditated murder though.
"Daredevil may be a Batman ripoff" All the goodwill you've earned with your insightful takes on this show's philosophy was instantly ripped away with that one dumbass line
I'd say so. There was never really murderous intent. The 1st time he "killed" Nobu was a complete accident. The 2nd and 3rd times he knew Nobu was immortal and therefore knew nothing he could do to him would do more than incapacitate him.
The first time around yah, but did we see him deal much with it? (i'll have to rewatch the show anyway) But when motherfuckers come back and you are done being freaked out about it, I guess it would take the horror out of putting them down, especially when you do it again, again and in anger.
Why does everyone keep saying that Daredevil murdered Nobu? Did we watch the same show? Nobu spilled the accelerant (Gasoline? Kerosene?) all over himself during the fight, and a desperate Matt threw a club at Nobu which was deflected or missed and shattered the lamp. Plus, how was Daredevil supposed to resuscitate Nobu when he was near dead from that fight and the Kingpin immediately entered the room and stomped him? We’re talking about one of the Fingers of the Hand. You know an organization of immortals who keep dying and coming back to life. Killing immortals who regenerate and resurrect don’t count. (Zombies too) I wouldn’t count that as killing, let alone murder. The Punisher ambushes people then commits pre-meditated murder often executing them through sadistic methods when they are incapacitated, captive, helpless and begging for mercy. That’s the difference.
"batman rip off" yeah, the poorly paid blind lawyer who doubles as a devil persona vigilante with super human senses is exactly the same as a multi billionaire with side kicks, gadgets and a bathroom persona......how are these characters related? XD
murdered parents push them into vigilantism, no kill rule, weird morality problems. Don't get me wrong daredevil is one of my favorite heroes, and so is batman. But I can see some key similarities
+Mmm... Delicious There are many heroes from both Marvel and DC that became vigilantes because of the death of parents or other loved ones, and of course there many who don't kill. I know what you're probably thinking, you're probably like "but Daredevil and Batman both act the same." And yeah I'll give you the warped morality system, but that alone is not enough to justify being a ripoff. Yes both of the characters are dark, but the core concept of both heroes, along with their respective abilities and backgrounds are very different. The only other similarity I could see between here two heroes is that they both are regular humans, and even that is a stretch to say, being that Daredevil does have super senses and Bruce is incredibly smart. Don't get me wrong, these two heroes are my favorite from their respective universes, but to call Daredevil a blatant ripoff of Batman....that's something else entirely.
Caleb Trevino I'm not saying he's a rip off nor do I think he is. All i'm saying is there are a fair bit of similarities, and I can understand Wisecrack making a little jaunt about it. They probably shouldn't have called it a rip off, but fuck it. Not tryna start a fight here. Just giving an alternative viewpoint.
4:14 this really stood out for me! I’m currently studying psychology and this has some similarities with what’s called the humanistic approach. Having a humanistic approach is basically believing that everybody has the chance to change themselves, that just because you are one way at one moment, that doesn’t mean you will be that way in the future. I honestly believe this! I truly believe that anybody and everybody is redeemable and has the free will to be a better person!
You guys sure are smart. I don't know how you crank these out so often - each one is like a college thesis. Do you ever think about doing the old classics - like Casablanca or It's a Wonderful Life? Or are those already too well deconstructed?
+ProfessorPuppet Thanks for the kind words, Professor! You're definitely right, there's lots of great deconstructions of classics but that doesn't mean they're off the table!
Well, it was cracked by me too, so it's not that hard :D I describe this show as "a man fighting the Devil". The real tresure comes when Wisecrack points out the cool stuff, like the similarities between Bible and the show.
I mean, the first time he kills Nobu it is kinda weird. I guess he might be able to handle some idea of self defense when his life is forfeit otherwise. But the other two times he just kinda buys "whatever, this guy does not die when I kill him and thus it is a sin!"
Nobu was the only one who pushed Matt to his limit. It was kill or be killed the first time, he was outclassed and had no choice. The other times it was apparent Nobu was simply unnatural, an abomination who would come back anyway
As others have pointed out, Matt Murdock's approach to morality is probably more Deontological, not Utilitarian, since 1) Utilitarianism has the obvious flaw of the "Utility Monster" and 2) Catholicism isn't really about maximizing happiness or pleasure, but rather about participating in the works of God and becoming more like him. If anything, it's more like Aristotelian Virtue Ethics, where Virtues are at the median point between two vices. The reason that many may criticize Matt Murdock as being "half-measured" is perhaps because he's trying to find the median point between two vices (one of privation, and another of excess.). Before someone comes to point out to me that there's usually contrast between Deontological Ethics and Virtue Ethics, from what I could gather, Catholicism is something of both. The principles of virtues are the foundation on which the moral codes and rules are built. Most Catholic philosophers do not support Divine Command Theory (where morals are moral by means of dictation by God) but rather hold to a more Thomistic approach where virtues and moral principles are inherent in God as the Ultimate Good, from his very nature. This goes into the territory of Teleology, which is the notion that all things are directed toward a purpose innately of their very nature. From this, morality is a unique mode of this in humanity. In theology, to sin is to miss the mark: that is, to stray from one's purpose. It is not simply an action, but also a character flaw, an innate defect. The purposes toward which humans are aimed can be summed up in moral principles of virtue, which is where virtue ethics comes into play. Yes, I'm well aware that Catholicism uses the Seven Deadly Sins and Seven Lively Virtues model. However, though the vices number 7, it is still the case that one vice can be a privation of multiple virtues, and another vice can be an excess of multiple virtues.
While wouldn't consider myself a utilitarian, the utility monster is a terrible argument against utilitarianism. Utilitarianism is a philosophy that is designed for the world we live in, where utility monsters don't exist. Trying to refute utilitarianism by saying "But what if there existed a being which receives more utility from each unit of resources than any other?" is like trying to prove that refrigerators don't work by saying "But what if there existed a being that sat in every refrigerator and absorbed all the cold air? It doesn't matter if something doesn't work under imaginary conditions; it only matters if something doesn't work under the conditions that actually exist in the world we live in. Utility monsters aren't real, and are therefore useless to bring up when arguing against utilitarianism.
+John Klein I prefer it the way it is, they'll wrap up the Hand storyline in season 3 and maybe go on to do the Born Again storyline, which I think is what most fans have wanted since the beginning.
I 100% agree it turned me off and unfortunately it's the last thing I remember of season 2 tainting the awesomeness of the punisher and the crazy trial!
It's my first time on this channel and I have to say it, your voice is awesome. I'm still struggling to reach a natural voice over and sound quality, so I can imagine how hard is to get at this level.
Batman rip off??? I love Batman, but Daredevil is his own thing for sure. If anything I would love to see them make a show for Batman, with the same tone as Daredevil. But the idea is the Bruce Wayne is sort of going the same route as Fisk, minus the killing, he's using his resources to renovate and rebuild the city, and using the Batman persona to deal with injustice and flush them out of the city, but unfortunately in doing so, the city reacts like a living organism, the white blood cells of course being people like Two Face and the Joker. Could be a damn good show if they got the right people to do it.
Batman is sort of invincible since he is a billionaire he doesn't need a job or do any shady dealings to get his gear (and y'know put food on the table). He is also really secure in his mansion and bat cave. Daredevil is really vulnerable as every time he goes out he risks having such an injury that his secret will come out or people following him and coming to his apartment to kill him
Considering he had a choice between two stark philosophies, one being Catholicism and the other being violent extremism, i'd say Matt has always had the opportunity to choose his path.
But it's literally not more educational than your history class. If you're not learning *anything* from your history class, it's because you don't give a shit about your history class.
+Marc Macaluso That may be true, but he's one of the most revolutionary and influential figures comic writers of all time. His contribution was pivotal to the progression of comics
Too bad Kant didn't believe in retributionism and "Eye for eye" justice. He considered man the ultimate end (not the mean), and the universal justice centered around the value of human life. Kant wanted an imperative categorical system of morals, not a vegeance based justice.
ConFeddi they are talking about the german philosopher immanuel kant he talked about retributive justice in one of his books i think it was the metaphysics of morals although his most famous book was the critique of pure reason he has a lot of interesting writings and theories
initial guilt causing her to not wanting to be a hero, pressured by a friend into attempting to be one followed swiftly by being a captive and the impact of murdering someone. all of these things lead to a reluctant hero who is not sure she deserves a good life.
I think one thing that was missed, was that he justifies his inability/fear of killing with the notion of choice. He believes everyone deserve a chance at repentance. Great video, really helped me put into words why I loved this series so much! Geat vid btw!
Daredevil>any other Marvel franchise right now. I prefer the deeper darker edgier shit, and don't get me wrong I'm not bashing Marvel but I feel that they don't have the time to go really in-depth for most of their movie characters due to lack of time.
50 Dollars They do seem like they've gone family friendly. And Marvel Civil war comic was written as a protest against the patriot act, the movie, pro patriot act. Insane.
To quote Jon Lajoie: "Fuck giving birth, entering space and time is a bitch, searching for purpose in the random universe sucks dick. Is it deterministic or am I free to choose my way? Did I choose not to give a fuck about ice cube trays?"
The first time Matt didn't technically kill Nobu because he ignite the fire not to kill him but he still lived. And the two other time he could hear his heartbeat and knew he was still alive. But then stick chopped Nobu's head off
it's not 'thow shall not kill' it's more of 'thow shall not murder another innocent man'. War, abortion and self defense are indeed grey areas but technically do not directly classify as a sin by this specific religious law. When Punisher kills, he frequently kills the innocent: though accidentally. Daredevil, like Superman and Batman, do avoid killing when possible but will allow exceptions if there is no other option and the person that they are killing is clearly the badguy or if they are acting in self defense of their lives or the lives of others.
Actually, under Catholic doctrine, abortion is considered a grave sin. Though when it comes to ectopic pregnancies which threaten the mother's life, surgical intervention is permitted even if it could result in the death of the child. (The justification comes from the Principle of Double Effect. By the way, the Principle of Double Effect also justifies self-defense.)
Tobi Oguntuase Most contemporary English translations are more accurate to the Hebrew when it comes to the OT laws, where the 6th Commandment is listed as "You shall not murder." Also, a distinction is traditionally made between killing and murder, such as killing animals for food, or bringing about capitol punishment of a severe crime when one is proven guilty, which are not counted as murder.
Tobi Oguntuase dude, do some history. abortion became a 'sin' primarily in response to the Black Death, because Europe was so depopulated that they basically demanded to make the population grow as quickly as possible: which means making sure births were not prevented.
Pika Zilla Wrong. Abortion was considered sinful WAAAAAY before the Black Death. www.priestsforlife.org/magisterium/earlychurchfathers/fatherscover.html
May I just say this show is so well realized that it convinced me a lawyer fights crime at night AND said lawyer has realistic motivations to risk jail/bodily harm/death to do what he does AND the lawyer is blind but uses his other senses to such great effect he goes toe to toe with mercenaries/ninjas/mobs. The most unrealistic thing for me is how he functions on so little sleep.
8:09 Is Nobu even a human being at this point? Perhaps Matt is trying to kill what he thinks is a demon in Nobu, because what Nobu does with his body is completely unnatural and inhuman. And technically [SPOiLER] in season 2 it wasn't Matt who killed Nobu, Stick did.
Daredevil isn’t a Batman rip off. But they do have similarities. Maybe that’s why they are both my favourite super heroes. Because they make you feel like you could actually be them. The grounded takes in reality also really help this.
Great thoughts! Many of which I have been thinking about sometime, not quite to the extent however. You mentioned Utilitarianism, but I am surprised you didn't mention Deontology. They are opposite terms and ideas, both of which have quality examples in the show.
I wouldn’t consider daredevil a “Batman rip off” I think they are similar but there are a lot of dark hero’s. Daredevil does put a lot of emphasis on religion more than Batman does.
Yeah, Sapolski at Stanford. But he also says that, "Just because we don't have free will, we still have the illusion of free will and can't operate as though we don't have free will." Which means, it doesn't matter if you had no control over your crime, the justice system must still treat you as if you did.
Exactly. Having consequences for crimes also feeds into the determinism of choices. A justice system IS a previous cause, just like anything else, be it relevant for a give person's moral compass or not.
I wanna hang out with the guy who wrote this stuff. I love the philosophy behind shows, especially the ones people never expect there to be philosophy behind.
It would be even more Utilitarian to kill anyone who may go back out and kill others as to prevent those deaths, the greater good argument. Batman would be guilty of mass murder for never killing the Joker when he had the chance according to Benthem's Utilitarian view.
I don't have a better one, but I feel like the conclusion left a lot to be desired. I mean, I think one of the great things about Daredevil is that, while the arc does conclude, the questions the arcs provide remain unanswered - not cliff hangers, but the questions of morality, true justice, and how we are meant to live when faced with things beyond our control. Otherwise, a great video! Reminded me why Daredevil became my favorite super hero (doesn't hurt that I am a Christian and struggle with a lot of the same questions the show asks).
Frank Castle is depicted in the show as being more Utilitarian than Daredevil, actually, as he says he kills criminals so that they can no longer continue to hurt more people (known as Negative Utilitarianism). Daredevil is not a Utilitarian at all. He uses some Positive Utilitarian arguments, but his primary incentive comes more from a devotion to law. He adheres to principles that are laid out either by prophets or by the judicial system.
What this video implies about Kant and Utilitarianism is not right but otherwise an interesting take! I have a much different take on it and I prefer to read it as more deontological/aesthetic ethic but even so this was fun to watch. I just had to comment because the Kant invocation is just plain wrong.
At a certain point, the exploration of Eva could be as long as the original series itself. Hell, I know Podcasts who have spent more than 13 hours on Eva.
***** I would guess that a significant portion of Wisecrack's audience haven't seen Eva so it would be introducing a great show to a new audience. But, yeah. There is no knew ground most likely. It's been explored in incredible depth. But so has 2001: A Space Odyssey and yet, people keep making new videos exploring it. Even though I've probably listened and talk about all the nuance of the show, I'd still want to watch Wisecrack's take. I don't believe when people think, "It's been done before, therefore I can't do it" because everyone brings _something_ that no one else can.
+TheKeyser94 Plus they were like that because back when he was first made his costume was made to mimic that of a strongman who wore "underwear" on thr outside
Daredevil and Batman have more differences from each other than they do similarities to be honest. I think it'd be interesting to see them talk to each other and compare notes.
no offense, but you're probably not a huge fan if you havent seen mcu's biggest show. That's like saying you're a hardcore Star Wars fan who hasn't seen the original trilogy
TheMightyWill i am a huge fan actually, i've watched and loved just about every film in the mcu, but i just had never had the time to watch this specific tv show (i have watched all the other ones though)
The reason Matt didn’t feel any guilt when he threw Nobu off the roof is because he knew Nobu wasn’t dead, or he knew he would recover, as later on he didn’t truly die until stick decaped him. Matt has enhanced senses and can tell if someone is dead or not, Nobu wasn’t the first person Matt threw off a roof. And DD isn’t a Batman ripoff, do your research. Loved the video though!
I think the choice for him to be "The Devil of Hell's Kitchen" says a lot about him, and it's something I've seen in a lot of modern heroes. They aren't good people. At their core many of our heroes aren't good, but they realize this, and fight against their darker nature. Matt is "The Devil" because he recognizes that this is the part of him that isn't right, but he reigns it in by not killing people, not ones that would stay dead anyways. One of my favorite examples of this is in Doctor Who. In the episode _A good man goes to war_ where it is said "Demons run when a good man goes to war." A similar sentiment is displayed by Patrick Rothfus with the quote "There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.” Good people aren't really all that good. They simply have a higher tolerance for bad things, but they're like a pressure cooker, yes it takes a lot more to make them explode, but when it comes out it is *incredibly destructive*.
I honestly hate this mentality in heroes, the mentality of never killing anyone, under any circumstance. Just because they want their own morality intact, they sentence countless innocent people to death. They keep saying that if they kill, they are no better, than the villains themselves, but it is clearly not the same, the difference is WHO they kill. If they were true heroes they would sacrifice their morality and kill the villains to prevent them from killing even more innocent people. They have the power and practically do nothing, which, in my eyes at least, is almost as bad as the villains they're so desperate to stop.
Erroneous and fucked up assumption. "they sentence countless innocent people to death" except the hero isn't responsible for the criminals behaviour, it's not their responsibility or purpose to carry the guilt for all the evil that others do... Ya can't expect or demand someone cast aside their own innocence or morals for some misguided prevention policy...one it's oxymoronic, right and wrong aren't simply about maths, minus one criminal equals two innocents etc but it's also a dangerous and arrogant absolutist mentality that quickly goes off the rails and becomes illogical, the "hero" assumes complete authority answering to no one not even their conscience?, becoming judge jury and execution as if they themselves were an infallible superior being with the right to decide who lives and dies. There have been plenty of monsters and tyrants who believed exactly this about themselves and their cause.
I think those with power have the responsibility to help out those without, they don't have to do it, no one can force them to, but it is the "right thing to do" and they being so called "heroes" should perform as such. Also, to explain the whole "sentencing innocents to their death" comment I made: Lets take Batman as an example, the prison(s) in Arkham obviously is very flawed and poorly kept, so every villain Batman "catches" just break out the next week, its almost routine-like and when those dangerous villains escape, they go out and kill people and ruin lives, only to be caught by Batman once again, so they can break out again and kill again, etc. Its an endless cycle, the people are getting punished for Batman's refusal of killing these dangerous criminals. Can you even comprehend how many lives would have been saved if he just killed the Joker, at least after the 100th time he escaped? Also we're talking about fiction, we're talking about villains with super powers, you can't compare that to real life, so it wouldn't work the same way. I'm pretty sure there aren't villains in real life that can break out of jail every now and then just to kill off dozens of people, only to repeat the whole process again and again later.
Kaze Vongola Yeah the thing about the affective and moral use of power is control and discipline not the unrestrained use of it for the supposed greater good but quite the opposite, self imposed limitations are important, they're what separate leaders and heroes from monsters and tyrants. As for the obvious writing conceit and flaws of the genre that the popular villain always escapes or returns...again you put that on the hero and his morals, not the authors, the system, the prison, the cops, the guards, not the courts that fail to convict or execute the villains or even the villains themselves...you also seem to think escalation doesn't exist that villains wont simply be replaced with even more or worse enemies, for example superman calls it the never ending battle specifically because he understands that there is no ultimate final victory, in BvS batman tells alfred criminals are like weeds pull one up two more grow in it's place, hydra themselves proclaim over at marvel "cut off one head two more shall rise"...the old german guy says it to loki in the avengers, "there are always men like you" Also lets not bring up deterrence because the major villains are crazy, fanatical, just straight up fearless or practically immortal, ya think the joker is afraid to die, you think darksied vandal savage or doomsday can simply be executed and be done with? Like I said good vs evil, right and wrong maybe black and white sometimes but it's mostly shades of grey and it's never as simple as basic arithmetic a child can perform.
I agree here with shameless. These superheroes don't refer to themselves as heroes and therefore don't have to do what society expects a true hero to do. Because of this type of mentality, heroes prove that there are ways of bringing justice without having to perform the animalistic act of killing. These heroes represent hope and the struggle of making the world a safer place without having to cross their own moral lines. These are heroes who are deciding for themselves to take the risk of vigilantism, so we shouldn't add the pressure and weight of needing them to kill. They save lives both literally and figuratively speaking due to the fact that they inspire others to take the more peaceful approach when coming into conflict, other than encouraging misguided or otherwise dangerous people to use the killing method to do what they believe is "the right thing". Although killing may seem like the more effective way to save lives, the influence it would have on bystanders and others who look up to you would be enormously dangerous.
Excuse me? Daredevil is a Batman ripoff?? Do your fucking research. Batman was a fucking shit character until Daredevil came out and then DC copied Daredevil.
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To be far, he accidentally set Nobu on fire. The second and third time, he knew Nobu wouldn't die.
I sort of interpret the third time as Matt finally crossing that line. In season 2, everyone was saying that he will kill. Frank literally said that, "You're one bad day away from being me". Before the ship explosion Matt even told Frank that he would kill. That " bad day" came in Elektra's death. Right after he realizes that he wants to be with Elektra, she is killed. Which probably pushes him to the deep end. As we see, his anger takes hold. Frank just kills two people right in front of him and he doesn't give two shits about it and instead goes straight for Nobu. He beats the shit out of him and throws him off the building. Notice how he didn't care that Frank killed. So, he probably decided that he would kill too
@@familyguysofunny1933 yes, but again in season 3 he is posed with the major decision of killing fisk or not, which he eventually doesn't.
@@familyguysofunny1933 lol no nobu was alive after he fell off. Stick is the one who actually cut his head off. So Matt has never killed anyone
Well nobu technically lit himself on fire but yeah I don't think killing nobu counts bc he's immortal and doesn't die til Stick finishes the deed
"killing" Nobu is kind of an exceptional case because he has already died and been brought back to life by The Hand, so it's like "killing" a dead man that doesn't really stay dead.
Surprised there is no mention of Foggy. Foggy is another way Matt keeps himself grounded, and often serves as Matt's conscience in both the comic and tv show. If anyone was to represent the "good" in the series it would be Foggy.
The world doesn’t deserve a guy like Foggy Nelson.
I loved Foggy as a character in the comics and the show. Actors did great job making us feel the friendship between Matt and Foggy. I was so happy to see foggy back in Luke cage
Funny thing about Daredevil, he actually has more in common with bats than Batman does.
Bat's aren't really blind if that's what you mean
+Jake Crothers Neither is Matt technically given the whole world made of fire vision.
Gotcha, I see. Still, can't miss an opportunity to be a smarta$$ if I see one, lol
My bad, just thought it would be interesting to share
Daredevil can't fly.
Punisher - Old Testament
Daredevil - New Testament
Fake deep alter
@@calebadams8525 Nein
read Old Testament Ethics by Chris Wright and The Prophets by Abraham Hershel. They are the same God.
Nice correlation
@@micahmatthew7104 sky daddy doesn't exist
"Where's this asshole's hand?"
Cracks me up every time
xD
Ik, hope those detectives come back next season
Their snark is on point.
The thing I am gonna say it's a bit irrelevant but does anyone know the song in 00:36?
Immortal 68 I think it's something from Rumble Fighter
Daredevil = Guardian Angel
Punisher = Angel of Death
Ramon Suarez *Guardian Devil
Daredevil enjoys violence too much to be any kind of angel. Maybe a noble demon
+Dan Something the devil was an angel so +Ramon Suarez was right is saying the he is right
Seems like Catholicism has many types of violent angels.
satan was supposed to be a fallen angel. also angels are like god's warriors? so idk what you're talking about, there.
I love how the show incorporates Catholic values into the show just as a part of the character. Exactly how it should be done to honour the background of the character in a way that makes sense, influences the plot and is subtle enough not to be what the show is about, it's just an aspect of Matt's character. I love it;
Thats has made the show horrible by spoon feeding the religion.
X Factor I wouldn’t say it’s made the show horrible at all. I’m about as atheist as you can get, but Matt Murdock is a catholic and it’s an important part of his character, so it should be part of the show
X Factor, one of the core aspects of Daredevil's Identity is his background, being an Irish-American Catholic that lives in a crime ridden neighborhood in Manhattan, Hells Kitchen incidentally being a historically Irish neighborhood. Of all comic book heroes, Daredevil would be in the top 5 list for religion defining their character.
Also, I audibly chuckled when I saw someone with the Harp of Erin as their profile picture praising the show on its depiction of Catholicism.
I'm a baptist, so I'm not that thrilled with some of the things Catholics believe. However, they somehow managed to implement into the show, and his character so believably, that I'm actually blown away. Season 3 did this exceptionally well. In the first few episodes, we see Matt's anger toward God, and his struggle to accept everything that's happened to him. All his anger and confusion sounds like a real person questioning why a loving God would allow or even cause bad stuff to happen. This causes him push away his friends and dive deeper into his angry alter ego. However, after almost losing Karen, he finally allows his friends back into his life. He finally gets a glimmer of his old self back. In the end, once he finally beats Fisk, he's finally able to find peace with himself and God. He finally sees the bigger picture. And for the first time, he's finally able to win for once.
Now, I'm not a Catholic. And I really don't like a lot of their beliefs. But, this show actually encouraged me in my faith somehow. With how brutal and gritty this show is, you'd think it'd be very anti-christion.
Is the Christian representation in Daredevil perfect? No, not at all. But man, it really created a compelling character arc without being too offensive.
I was raised catholic (atheist now) and I love the way they incorporated faith into his moral crisis. It serves the story well. I can relate
"Daredevil is a Batman rip-off..."
Christ, do your research...
In fact, LARGE chunks of Batman's modern 'League of Shadows' origin story (the one depicted in Batman Begins)... are actually stolen from Frank Miller's DAREDEVIL... not the other way around. Hell, there was a period in the '80s and '90s where DC Comics was hiring away literally _every_ Daredevil creative team - _immediately_ after their contracts were up - to work on Batman.
Incidentally, Batman is actually plagiarized from 'The Shadow' to begin with. So it's a bit absurd to claim anyone is ripping off a character who is, himself, a rip-off.
I thought the origin story in Batman Begins was copied from Dr. Strange.
Batman is not only plagiarized from The Shadow but also from other pulps heroes like Black Bat (he literally stole the Batmobile from this guy), El Zorro (Double identity: Don Diego de la Vega/ Bruce Wayne) and even a Victorian urban legend: Spring-heeled Jack. So yeah, cool video, like, but get your facts right.
Wow, I read up on this to find that DC also ripped off the costume of the Black Bat. He also was a detective.
The Rageaholic The Shadow is my favorite comic character ever!
Ahahaha Razor I said the same damn thing. XD
One interesting line that defines the Punisher was said by Castle himeself, to Daredevil of all people. Frank, tired of Matt Murdock's moralistic BS knocked him out and chained him up while taping a gun to his hand. Punisher then told him he was about to kill a criminal and the only way to stop to him was with a headshot. If Daredevil didn't he would have a death on his conscious he could've prevented, and if he did, he himself would be a murderer. When daredevil asked what kind of choice that was, frank just said "the one I make every time I pull the trigger."
Regarding kicking ass:
One of the tenets of Matt's struggle with his "inner demons" is whether or not he enjoys beating people up. As he's constantly told about how ineffective his tactics are, we start to wonder whether he's doing this simply because he wants to, independent of any effects it may have on the city. This mirrors the audience's situation surprisingly closely. Are we watching this ass-kicking because we want to see the good guys win and the bad guys lose, or are we watching simply because we enjoy the violence?
Both
HoodieSticks
Greg heffly
Reg Fly
Freg ly
Fregly
Greg heffly = Fregly.
Fregly is Greg Heffly's alter ego, who is actually "real" Greg Heffly. The Greg Heffly we see in the books is just the one he wants you to see, the part of him who wants to be famous. Fregly is Greg Heffly.
Both. It doesn't even have to be the good guys doing the beating. As long as our sense of retributive justice is satisfied. Like when Fisk threw the warden from Shawshank down an elevator shaft.
Both!
I just enjoy morally gray characters who I hate to love.
8:08 Nobu is different. He is among the only one strong enough to defeat Murdock. It is not murder, but more last resort self-defense.
Also after the first time of him coming back to life, I'm sure Matt doesn't consider him human.
*****
He is a Christian, resurrecting has a positive value for him. Though he had trouble to believe it when Stick told him. I hope they will dig that question in season 3.
Pretty sure christians don't inherently think resurrecting is good, I mean if maybe a loved one died and came back miracle, but a mortal enemy, a plague, or even demonic in there eyes.
+Chris East Exactly, in some of the Gospels religious leaders actually call Jesus out for healing and resurrecting others as demonic action. In Christianity it's usually the reason that justifies (or condemns) the action.
+HSuper Lee Well if you had power because you were the word of your god, would you just accept any poser claiming to be the son of that god?
Daredevil is NOT a Batman rip-off. Frank Miller did Daredevil justice way before he redefined Batman, which is the Batman we know now. Daredevil > Batman any day.
Thanks you for that.
nah
rexthedog4 yah
You are right daredevil isn't a batman rip-off. When first introduced with his bright yellow outfit he had more similarities to spiderman than anything else, from the death of his dad when he was in college to being a book worm who people thought was weak. It wasnt until 1979 when a young frank miller (who was a very huge batman fan) started writing his stories that he became batman like. He started writing daredevil with ideas and concepts that he had for batman, he did this so much marvel had to tell him to rewrite sometimes because he was making it to much like batman. Miller made a spiderman like character into a batman like character. He made him into a ninja that only comes out at night when originally he would come out a lot during the day. He is not marvel batman rip-off though he just takes a lot of inspiration from him, marvels batman ripoff is moonknight straight down to the butler.
Also I think Daredevil is more brutal then batman.
Vincent D'Onofrio was amazing as Kingpin.
Because basically he already had done this character before, the Kingpin is the criminal version of Robert Goren.
TheKeyser94 I think it's because he's a good actor.
***** I haven't seen the second season yet, but I hear it's great. A lot of people like this Punisher better than the one in the movies.
Jesse Taylor I never say that he was a bad actor, I say that he had done this kind of character before, so he have a lot experience of doing morally ambiguous characters.
TheKeyser94 I stand corrected, sir. I really enjoyed him in that role.
#TrueFacts
Daredevil isn't a Rip off of Batman because the Batman we know was written after Daredevil BY THE SAME PERSON
Killing does not strictly equal murder. Even the bible when correctly translated makes the distinction, the commandment is "thou shalt not 'murder'" not kill
For someone discussing the matter of philosophy of Daredevil, did he even bother to touch upon the matter of the "Principle of Double Effect"? Basically, the Principle of Double Effect is that in a circumstance where committing a deed has one good outcome and one bad outcome, it is okay to commit the deed so long as 1) there was no intent for the bad outcome (the person committing this act may be aware of the potential for the bad outcome) and 2) the good outcome does not itself come out of an immoral action.
This principle justifies self-defense in that if one person is using violent force to threaten another person's life, the other person is able to retaliate to put a stop to that violent force. So long as it's done without the express intent to kill the person, even should the person defending him/herself be well aware of the possibility that their attacker could die.
If anything, Matt Murdock's actions did not intentionally burn Nobu. If anything, Nobu's body being set on fire was a direct consequence of Nobu's own actions.
Exactly right. Which explains why Daredevil is so brutal in combat, dishing out injuries which could easily kill. He stops short of cold blooded premeditated murder though.
Glad someone pointed out the distinction. I get tired of saying it to OP.
"Daredevil may be a Batman ripoff"
All the goodwill you've earned with your insightful takes on this show's philosophy was instantly ripped away with that one dumbass line
Wasn't Nobu more of a self-defense situation? That dude has serious skills.
I'd say so. There was never really murderous intent. The 1st time he "killed" Nobu was a complete accident. The 2nd and 3rd times he knew Nobu was immortal and therefore knew nothing he could do to him would do more than incapacitate him.
The first time around yah, but did we see him deal much with it? (i'll have to rewatch the show anyway)
But when motherfuckers come back and you are done being freaked out about it, I guess it would take the horror out of putting them down, especially when you do it again, again and in anger.
He just walked away to let him burn to death
Ninjas don't die, we multiply.
Why does everyone keep saying that Daredevil murdered Nobu? Did we watch the same show?
Nobu spilled the accelerant (Gasoline? Kerosene?) all over himself during the fight, and a desperate Matt threw a club at Nobu which was deflected or missed and shattered the lamp. Plus, how was Daredevil supposed to resuscitate Nobu when he was near dead from that fight and the Kingpin immediately entered the room and stomped him?
We’re talking about one of the Fingers of the Hand. You know an organization of immortals who keep dying and coming back to life. Killing immortals who regenerate and resurrect don’t count. (Zombies too)
I wouldn’t count that as killing, let alone murder.
The Punisher ambushes people then commits pre-meditated murder often executing them through sadistic methods when they are incapacitated, captive, helpless and begging for mercy. That’s the difference.
"batman rip off" yeah, the poorly paid blind lawyer who doubles as a devil persona vigilante with super human senses is exactly the same as a multi billionaire with side kicks, gadgets and a bathroom persona......how are these characters related? XD
Agree. They make a video, explaining the in depth and detailed philosophy of Daredevil, yet they don't quite understand what a ripoff actually is.
murdered parents push them into vigilantism, no kill rule, weird morality problems. Don't get me wrong daredevil is one of my favorite heroes, and so is batman. But I can see some key similarities
+Mmm... Delicious There are many heroes from both Marvel and DC that became vigilantes because of the death of parents or other loved ones, and of course there many who don't kill. I know what you're probably thinking, you're probably like "but Daredevil and Batman both act the same." And yeah I'll give you the warped morality system, but that alone is not enough to justify being a ripoff. Yes both of the characters are dark, but the core concept of both heroes, along with their respective abilities and backgrounds are very different. The only other similarity I could see between here two heroes is that they both are regular humans, and even that is a stretch to say, being that Daredevil does have super senses and Bruce is incredibly smart. Don't get me wrong, these two heroes are my favorite from their respective universes, but to call Daredevil a blatant ripoff of Batman....that's something else entirely.
Caleb Trevino I'm not saying he's a rip off nor do I think he is. All i'm saying is there are a fair bit of similarities, and I can understand Wisecrack making a little jaunt about it. They probably shouldn't have called it a rip off, but fuck it. Not tryna start a fight here. Just giving an alternative viewpoint.
+Caleb Trevino even regarding the no kill rule, Frank miller's born again made daredevil able to kill only if he absolutely has too.
4:14 this really stood out for me! I’m currently studying psychology and this has some similarities with what’s called the humanistic approach. Having a humanistic approach is basically believing that everybody has the chance to change themselves, that just because you are one way at one moment, that doesn’t mean you will be that way in the future. I honestly believe this! I truly believe that anybody and everybody is redeemable and has the free will to be a better person!
Woah Woah Woah, Daredevils dark Broody-ness was BEFORE Batman...
Matt Murdock: make Catholicism great again
lol, like it ever was
Matt Murdock Catholicism In the Devil we trust.
That would be tough since it never was great to begin with.
Actually its the exact opposite Catholicism made murdock foolish again.
Never was or will be
You guys sure are smart. I don't know how you crank these out so often - each one is like a college thesis. Do you ever think about doing the old classics - like Casablanca or It's a Wonderful Life? Or are those already too well deconstructed?
+ProfessorPuppet Thanks for the kind words, Professor! You're definitely right, there's lots of great deconstructions of classics but that doesn't mean they're off the table!
i think they are making this show look smarter than it actually is
Well, it was cracked by me too, so it's not that hard :D I describe this show as "a man fighting the Devil".
The real tresure comes when Wisecrack points out the cool stuff, like the similarities between Bible and the show.
+Mohamed haRidy Or you're just not intelligent enough to appreciate such profound cogitations :)
or stupid enough to take Parkour seriously.
I mean, the first time he kills Nobu it is kinda weird. I guess he might be able to handle some idea of self defense when his life is forfeit otherwise.
But the other two times he just kinda buys "whatever, this guy does not die when I kill him and thus it is a sin!"
That's how I choose to interpret it
Nobu was the only one who pushed Matt to his limit. It was kill or be killed the first time, he was outclassed and had no choice. The other times it was apparent Nobu was simply unnatural, an abomination who would come back anyway
Well if he's fought him 3 times already, who's to say he won't come back for a 4th?
Uh. Have you seen season 2?
Stick comes up with a way to ensure Nobu stops being a problem.
Did Daredevil know this when he fought him the third time?
As others have pointed out, Matt Murdock's approach to morality is probably more Deontological, not Utilitarian, since 1) Utilitarianism has the obvious flaw of the "Utility Monster" and 2) Catholicism isn't really about maximizing happiness or pleasure, but rather about participating in the works of God and becoming more like him.
If anything, it's more like Aristotelian Virtue Ethics, where Virtues are at the median point between two vices. The reason that many may criticize Matt Murdock as being "half-measured" is perhaps because he's trying to find the median point between two vices (one of privation, and another of excess.).
Before someone comes to point out to me that there's usually contrast between Deontological Ethics and Virtue Ethics, from what I could gather, Catholicism is something of both. The principles of virtues are the foundation on which the moral codes and rules are built. Most Catholic philosophers do not support Divine Command Theory (where morals are moral by means of dictation by God) but rather hold to a more Thomistic approach where virtues and moral principles are inherent in God as the Ultimate Good, from his very nature. This goes into the territory of Teleology, which is the notion that all things are directed toward a purpose innately of their very nature. From this, morality is a unique mode of this in humanity. In theology, to sin is to miss the mark: that is, to stray from one's purpose. It is not simply an action, but also a character flaw, an innate defect.
The purposes toward which humans are aimed can be summed up in moral principles of virtue, which is where virtue ethics comes into play.
Yes, I'm well aware that Catholicism uses the Seven Deadly Sins and Seven Lively Virtues model. However, though the vices number 7, it is still the case that one vice can be a privation of multiple virtues, and another vice can be an excess of multiple virtues.
While wouldn't consider myself a utilitarian, the utility monster is a terrible argument against utilitarianism. Utilitarianism is a philosophy that is designed for the world we live in, where utility monsters don't exist. Trying to refute utilitarianism by saying "But what if there existed a being which receives more utility from each unit of resources than any other?" is like trying to prove that refrigerators don't work by saying "But what if there existed a being that sat in every refrigerator and absorbed all the cold air? It doesn't matter if something doesn't work under imaginary conditions; it only matters if something doesn't work under the conditions that actually exist in the world we live in. Utility monsters aren't real, and are therefore useless to bring up when arguing against utilitarianism.
Beautifully stated!
If it wasn't for The Hand storyline I would've said season 2 is better than season 1
Yeah, they should of just stuck with The Punisher while hinting at the Hand doing things in the background so we got the set up for season 3.
***** exactly. First half of season 2 defo better than season 1
+John Klein I prefer it the way it is, they'll wrap up the Hand storyline in season 3 and maybe go on to do the Born Again storyline, which I think is what most fans have wanted since the beginning.
I 100% agree it turned me off and unfortunately it's the last thing I remember of season 2 tainting the awesomeness of the punisher and the crazy trial!
Matt Allen yup. should've just focused don him the entire season
It's my first time on this channel and I have to say it, your voice is awesome. I'm still struggling to reach a natural voice over and sound quality, so I can imagine how hard is to get at this level.
The last two times he "kills Nobu" he knows what will kill someone and what won't. He throws them off the roof but he survives each time.
Exactly but that can’t be bothered to add context to that can they
Batman rip off???
I love Batman, but Daredevil is his own thing for sure.
If anything I would love to see them make a show for Batman, with the same tone as Daredevil.
But the idea is the Bruce Wayne is sort of going the same route as Fisk, minus the killing, he's using his resources to renovate and rebuild the city, and using the Batman persona to deal with injustice and flush them out of the city, but unfortunately in doing so, the city reacts like a living organism, the white blood cells of course being people like Two Face and the Joker.
Could be a damn good show if they got the right people to do it.
well said bro!
this is what DC needs to read. the white blood cell metaphor is excellent
Why hasn't DC hired you to do an animated or live-action version of it you have great ideas you'll be perfect
Literally, The Dark Knight’s Plot.
Batman is sort of invincible since he is a billionaire he doesn't need a job or do any shady dealings to get his gear (and y'know put food on the table). He is also really secure in his mansion and bat cave. Daredevil is really vulnerable as every time he goes out he risks having such an injury that his secret will come out or people following him and coming to his apartment to kill him
Is it really Matt's choice to resort to catholicism if he was raised by nuns, or is it all he knows aside from the teachings of stick and his father?
Good question
EXACTLY
You win one internets.
+Slagtheangry I love winning internets.
Considering he had a choice between two stark philosophies, one being Catholicism and the other being violent extremism, i'd say Matt has always had the opportunity to choose his path.
Why is this more educational than my history class
cortez fam
Poor funding and extreme censorship.
But it's literally not more educational than your history class. If you're not learning *anything* from your history class, it's because you don't give a shit about your history class.
@@jibjith9278 half of that is wrong. Unless you live in China or sum
Morally_ Bankrupt r/whoosh
most of batman modern mythos CAME from daredevil .......all thanks to Frank Miller .
Don't mention Frank Miller... He's the Voldemort of progressive Nerds.
+Marc Macaluso thanks for the lols....hehehehe
+Marc Macaluso true😑 but you gotta admit, his early stuff was FANTASTIC 😆
More like because of Frank Miller
+Marc Macaluso That may be true, but he's one of the most revolutionary and influential figures comic writers of all time. His contribution was pivotal to the progression of comics
Does this fool not realise that in the 3 times that Daredevil “kills” Nobu, he LITERALLY SURVIVES EVERYTIME?
Too bad Kant didn't believe in retributionism and "Eye for eye" justice. He considered man the ultimate end (not the mean), and the universal justice centered around the value of human life. Kant wanted an imperative categorical system of morals, not a vegeance based justice.
Kant believed in Ius Talionis, look in the Akademie-Ausgabe Volume 10
wait who's Kant?
ConFeddi they are talking about the german philosopher immanuel kant he talked about retributive justice in one of his books i think it was the metaphysics of morals although his most famous book was the critique of pure reason he has a lot of interesting writings and theories
Ommioddio mortebianca
the philosophy of Jessica Jones?
Yeah I feel there's a lot to talk about on the nature of Jessica's relationship with Kilgrave.
Drink booz and kick ass. There's your philosophy, slick.
initial guilt causing her to not wanting to be a hero, pressured by a friend into attempting to be one followed swiftly by being a captive and the impact of murdering someone. all of these things lead to a reluctant hero who is not sure she deserves a good life.
ernie samora I like the Jessica jones comics, but the show writers seem to have a lot of feminists themes.
Acknowledging that women get stalked and raped is not really feminist...
Nor is having a female lead.
The best Marvel property by far
#TrueFacts
Yes, screw the movies just give us this!
Well ... I think that Jessica Jones is a little bit (really just slightly) better. :P
sven_lu Nah they both are good, Marvel Television>Marvel Cinematic
Nah Daredevil is definitely better. Jessica Jones is really good, but Daredevil's better.
I think one thing that was missed, was that he justifies his inability/fear of killing with the notion of choice. He believes everyone deserve a chance at repentance.
Great video, really helped me put into words why I loved this series so much! Geat vid btw!
That last batman comment is gonna start a war. I can feel it.
Daredevil>any other Marvel franchise right now. I prefer the deeper darker edgier shit, and don't get me wrong I'm not bashing Marvel but I feel that they don't have the time to go really in-depth for most of their movie characters due to lack of time.
50 Dollars daredevil is the best thing out of comics
50 Dollars They do seem like they've gone family friendly. And Marvel Civil war comic was written as a protest against the patriot act, the movie, pro patriot act. Insane.
I agree!!
To quote Jon Lajoie: "Fuck giving birth, entering space and time is a bitch, searching for purpose in the random universe sucks dick. Is it deterministic or am I free to choose my way? Did I choose not to give a fuck about ice cube trays?"
Knowledge and wisdom is such a beautiful gift most people take for granted
Philosophy of Conan the barbarian. is it possible?
The comics? The short stories? Or the movies?
comics and short stories mostly. the temple of the elephant is very good imo
More people would be familiar with the movies.
"Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women." What's more to know?
thats the conan from the movies, a little bit different from the original character. its accurate but there is more to it
The first time Matt didn't technically kill Nobu because he ignite the fire not to kill him but he still lived. And the two other time he could hear his heartbeat and knew he was still alive. But then stick chopped Nobu's head off
it's not 'thow shall not kill' it's more of 'thow shall not murder another innocent man'. War, abortion and self defense are indeed grey areas but technically do not directly classify as a sin by this specific religious law. When Punisher kills, he frequently kills the innocent: though accidentally. Daredevil, like Superman and Batman, do avoid killing when possible but will allow exceptions if there is no other option and the person that they are killing is clearly the badguy or if they are acting in self defense of their lives or the lives of others.
Actually, under Catholic doctrine, abortion is considered a grave sin. Though when it comes to ectopic pregnancies which threaten the mother's life, surgical intervention is permitted even if it could result in the death of the child. (The justification comes from the Principle of Double Effect. By the way, the Principle of Double Effect also justifies self-defense.)
dude, no offense, but read the Bible before commenting something like this
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Tobi Oguntuase Most contemporary English translations are more accurate to the Hebrew when it comes to the OT laws, where the 6th Commandment is listed as "You shall not murder." Also, a distinction is traditionally made between killing and murder, such as killing animals for food, or bringing about capitol punishment of a severe crime when one is proven guilty, which are not counted as murder.
Tobi Oguntuase dude, do some history.
abortion became a 'sin' primarily in response to the Black Death, because Europe was so depopulated that they basically demanded to make the population grow as quickly as possible: which means making sure births were not prevented.
Pika Zilla
Wrong. Abortion was considered sinful WAAAAAY before the Black Death. www.priestsforlife.org/magisterium/earlychurchfathers/fatherscover.html
May I just say this show is so well realized that it convinced me a lawyer fights crime at night AND said lawyer has realistic motivations to risk jail/bodily harm/death to do what he does AND the lawyer is blind but uses his other senses to such great effect he goes toe to toe with mercenaries/ninjas/mobs. The most unrealistic thing for me is how he functions on so little sleep.
Team #instantLike . All your videos are amazing
If yo go on liking bad content the quality of the Chanel will deteriorate, having said that there is a video I've disliked yet
Actually it is. When their content loses quality they'll lose that privilege. Obviously I watch the videos
Looks like you're a determinist. determined to like the vid, regardless of its quality, based on past experiences
I think Christopher Hitchens quote on free will is the best. "Of course we have free will because we have no choice but to have it"
8:09 Is Nobu even a human being at this point? Perhaps Matt is trying to kill what he thinks is a demon in Nobu, because what Nobu does with his body is completely unnatural and inhuman. And technically [SPOiLER]
in season 2 it wasn't Matt who killed Nobu, Stick did.
Raheli Art and when matt threw nobu off a building
(SPOILER)
He had just killed Elecktra
Daredevil isn’t a Batman rip off. But they do have similarities. Maybe that’s why they are both my favourite super heroes. Because they make you feel like you could actually be them. The grounded takes in reality also really help this.
I love this show. The catholic theology parts are pretty solid too.
So in love with this channel, got me hooked!!!!
Do the Philosophy of Eminem.
Yes! That would be awesome! !
Do they do stuff on artist? Because that would be awesome
what?
I hear he believes in the Mom's Spaghetti Monster
Cultural Appropriation, Nihilism, Alienation of Masculine Identity... Are you sure you could handle all that.
Great thoughts! Many of which I have been thinking about sometime, not quite to the extent however.
You mentioned Utilitarianism, but I am surprised you didn't mention Deontology. They are opposite terms and ideas, both of which have quality examples in the show.
Seeing how Daredevil refuses to kill anyone, I would say he's more of a deontologist than a utilitarian
I never noticed the dominance of yellow colors in the series, but now that you've mentioned it, it's hard to ignore.
I wouldn’t consider daredevil a “Batman rip off” I think they are similar but there are a lot of dark hero’s. Daredevil does put a lot of emphasis on religion more than Batman does.
9:14 you have no idea how many times I've had that for breakfast because Kingpin looked "cool" doing it
A PHILOSOPHY OF JESSICA JONES PLEASE!
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He didn't light him on fire, the other times he knew he was undead so that could be counted as a grey area
the concept of determinism is also backed by neuroscience
Yeah, Sapolski at Stanford. But he also says that, "Just because we don't have free will, we still have the illusion of free will and can't operate as though we don't have free will."
Which means, it doesn't matter if you had no control over your crime, the justice system must still treat you as if you did.
true that, but I think mostly because our brains still want us to keep going and have some sort of security
TheRickestDavid
Yeah, I think that was his point as well. [summarizing] "we have no choice but to believe we do have choice."
Indeed it is, if anyone is interested, please see Free Will by Sam Harris. Lots of sources there.
Exactly. Having consequences for crimes also feeds into the determinism of choices. A justice system IS a previous cause, just like anything else, be it relevant for a give person's moral compass or not.
This is awesome. Really excellent content, cheers to you, Wisecrack !
Batman is a Daredevil ripoff, before there was the serious batman, the man who wrote the serious dark batman wrote Daredevil
Actually Batman is The Shadow rip-off, that why in his first appearance he had two guns.
such a great discussion topic of one of my favorite heroes of all time
I love Daredevil. Easily my favourite Marvel character!
I wanna hang out with the guy who wrote this stuff. I love the philosophy behind shows, especially the ones people never expect there to be philosophy behind.
It would be even more Utilitarian to kill anyone who may go back out and kill others as to prevent those deaths, the greater good argument. Batman would be guilty of mass murder for never killing the Joker when he had the chance according to Benthem's Utilitarian view.
I don't have a better one, but I feel like the conclusion left a lot to be desired. I mean, I think one of the great things about Daredevil is that, while the arc does conclude, the questions the arcs provide remain unanswered - not cliff hangers, but the questions of morality, true justice, and how we are meant to live when faced with things beyond our control. Otherwise, a great video! Reminded me why Daredevil became my favorite super hero (doesn't hurt that I am a Christian and struggle with a lot of the same questions the show asks).
letting Ben Affleck doo anything is generally a bad idea .. Jennifer whoever too
Have you seen BvS? Affleck was like the only good thing there.
@@just0sex0fever coz he literally plays the same character in every movie. so being bruce wayne gave him a huge boner
@@falaflani4831 I mean you are not wrong.... but that boner still looked damn awesome on the screen :D
@@just0sex0fever lol. of course. esp after gone girl
Frank Castle is depicted in the show as being more Utilitarian than Daredevil, actually, as he says he kills criminals so that they can no longer continue to hurt more people (known as Negative Utilitarianism). Daredevil is not a Utilitarian at all. He uses some Positive Utilitarian arguments, but his primary incentive comes more from a devotion to law. He adheres to principles that are laid out either by prophets or by the judicial system.
What this video implies about Kant and Utilitarianism is not right but otherwise an interesting take! I have a much different take on it and I prefer to read it as more deontological/aesthetic ethic but even so this was fun to watch. I just had to comment because the Kant invocation is just plain wrong.
not long enough. looking forward to more daredevil episodes in the future
"Ripoff of Batman"... okay i'm leaving now..
bye then
bye bye
Go fuck urself :v
This was well said, well thought out and well made.
Guys please
Do Neon Genesis Evangelion
Oh man, that's like six episodes worth of exploration.
They could make an series out of it
At a certain point, the exploration of Eva could be as long as the original series itself.
Hell, I know Podcasts who have spent more than 13 hours on Eva.
At this point, it's probably hard to do an analysis of EVA without retreading ground already covered by others.
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I would guess that a significant portion of Wisecrack's audience haven't seen Eva so it would be introducing a great show to a new audience.
But, yeah. There is no knew ground most likely. It's been explored in incredible depth. But so has 2001: A Space Odyssey and yet, people keep making new videos exploring it.
Even though I've probably listened and talk about all the nuance of the show, I'd still want to watch Wisecrack's take. I don't believe when people think, "It's been done before, therefore I can't do it" because everyone brings _something_ that no one else can.
When you see season three, you’ll realize there's a lot more to it than “kicking ass.”
Until super heroes start sleeping in their costumes, they shouldn't be referred to as "pajamas"
Well until recently Superman used to have his panties outside his costume, so they were "Pyjamas" in a way.
+TheKeyser94 Idk about you but I sure don't wear my underwear outside my pajamas when I sleep
+TheKeyser94 Plus they were like that because back when he was first made his costume was made to mimic that of a strongman who wore "underwear" on thr outside
Alvaro Hernandez The Shadow didn't, and he way back before Superman, but I see your point.
Well daredevil's early costume is made of stuff people would sleep in.
Daredevil and Batman have more differences from each other than they do similarities to be honest. I think it'd be interesting to see them talk to each other and compare notes.
Please do The Philosophy of Bojack Horseman! Thanks!
I fracking love the dd series, both seasons were amazingly good
Also he's not a Batman rip off. Batman is just generic and we'll know. And people confuse the generic for the original
This was a good watch. Great job.
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I think that an episode for the Philosophy for Dexter would be so good!
As a huge marvel fan, should i watch daredevil (the tv show) or is it not worth it?
Watch it. I'm a hardcore fan who loved it.
watch it, you gonna be glued, best tv show hands down
no offense, but you're probably not a huge fan if you havent seen mcu's biggest show. That's like saying you're a hardcore Star Wars fan who hasn't seen the original trilogy
just watched the first ep. AWESOME!
TheMightyWill i am a huge fan actually, i've watched and loved just about every film in the mcu, but i just had never had the time to watch this specific tv show (i have watched all the other ones though)
a Philosophy of Mr. Robot or Donnie Darko would be amazing guys... but definitely keep up the excellent work.
Dardevil is barely a batman rip-off! Stop calling him that
Somehow I've missed the rose coloured glasses reference my entire life. I'm somewhere between ashamed and amused.
Daredevil > Batman. Come at me fanboys.
I just came on you, that came out wrong or did it?
Or it might have come out just right depending on what you meant ;)
I just came at someone else. Give me a day to recharge, k?
Daredevil may be a batman ripoff, but it is better in almost every way, a direct improvement.
Adrian lyacon The only similarity between batman and Daredevil is that they wear a suit and fight crime.
The reason Matt didn’t feel any guilt when he threw Nobu off the roof is because he knew Nobu wasn’t dead, or he knew he would recover, as later on he didn’t truly die until stick decaped him. Matt has enhanced senses and can tell if someone is dead or not, Nobu wasn’t the first person Matt threw off a roof. And DD isn’t a Batman ripoff, do your research. Loved the video though!
I think the choice for him to be "The Devil of Hell's Kitchen" says a lot about him, and it's something I've seen in a lot of modern heroes. They aren't good people. At their core many of our heroes aren't good, but they realize this, and fight against their darker nature. Matt is "The Devil" because he recognizes that this is the part of him that isn't right, but he reigns it in by not killing people, not ones that would stay dead anyways.
One of my favorite examples of this is in Doctor Who. In the episode _A good man goes to war_ where it is said "Demons run when a good man goes to war." A similar sentiment is displayed by Patrick Rothfus with the quote "There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.” Good people aren't really all that good. They simply have a higher tolerance for bad things, but they're like a pressure cooker, yes it takes a lot more to make them explode, but when it comes out it is *incredibly destructive*.
Awesome analysis of the most awesome series.
I honestly hate this mentality in heroes, the mentality of never killing anyone, under any circumstance. Just because they want their own morality intact, they sentence countless innocent people to death. They keep saying that if they kill, they are no better, than the villains themselves, but it is clearly not the same, the difference is WHO they kill. If they were true heroes they would sacrifice their morality and kill the villains to prevent them from killing even more innocent people. They have the power and practically do nothing, which, in my eyes at least, is almost as bad as the villains they're so desperate to stop.
Erroneous and fucked up assumption.
"they sentence countless innocent people to death" except the hero isn't responsible for the criminals behaviour, it's not their responsibility or purpose to carry the guilt for all the evil that others do...
Ya can't expect or demand someone cast aside their own innocence or morals for some misguided prevention policy...one it's oxymoronic, right and wrong aren't simply about maths, minus one criminal equals two innocents etc but it's also a dangerous and arrogant absolutist mentality that quickly goes off the rails and becomes illogical, the "hero" assumes complete authority answering to no one not even their conscience?, becoming judge jury and execution as if they themselves were an infallible superior being with the right to decide who lives and dies.
There have been plenty of monsters and tyrants who believed exactly this about themselves and their cause.
I think those with power have the responsibility to help out those without, they don't have to do it, no one can force them to, but it is the "right thing to do" and they being so called "heroes" should perform as such.
Also, to explain the whole "sentencing innocents to their death" comment I made: Lets take Batman as an example, the prison(s) in Arkham obviously is very flawed and poorly kept, so every villain Batman "catches" just break out the next week, its almost routine-like and when those dangerous villains escape, they go out and kill people and ruin lives, only to be caught by Batman once again, so they can break out again and kill again, etc. Its an endless cycle, the people are getting punished for Batman's refusal of killing these dangerous criminals. Can you even comprehend how many lives would have been saved if he just killed the Joker, at least after the 100th time he escaped?
Also we're talking about fiction, we're talking about villains with super powers, you can't compare that to real life, so it wouldn't work the same way. I'm pretty sure there aren't villains in real life that can break out of jail every now and then just to kill off dozens of people, only to repeat the whole process again and again later.
Kaze Vongola
Yeah the thing about the affective and moral use of power is control and discipline not the unrestrained use of it for the supposed greater good but quite the opposite, self imposed limitations are important, they're what separate leaders and heroes from monsters and tyrants.
As for the obvious writing conceit and flaws of the genre that the popular villain always escapes or returns...again you put that on the hero and his morals, not the authors, the system, the prison, the cops, the guards, not the courts that fail to convict or execute the villains or even the villains themselves...you also seem to think escalation doesn't exist that villains wont simply be replaced with even more or worse enemies, for example superman calls it the never ending battle specifically because he understands that there is no ultimate final victory, in BvS batman tells alfred criminals are like weeds pull one up two more grow in it's place, hydra themselves proclaim over at marvel "cut off one head two more shall rise"...the old german guy says it to loki in the avengers, "there are always men like you"
Also lets not bring up deterrence because the major villains are crazy, fanatical, just straight up fearless or practically immortal, ya think the joker is afraid to die, you think darksied vandal savage or doomsday can simply be executed and be done with?
Like I said good vs evil, right and wrong maybe black and white sometimes but it's mostly shades of grey and it's never as simple as basic arithmetic a child can perform.
I agree here with shameless. These superheroes don't refer to themselves as heroes and therefore don't have to do what society expects a true hero to do. Because of this type of mentality, heroes prove that there are ways of bringing justice without having to perform the animalistic act of killing. These heroes represent hope and the struggle of making the world a safer place without having to cross their own moral lines. These are heroes who are deciding for themselves to take the risk of vigilantism, so we shouldn't add the pressure and weight of needing them to kill. They save lives both literally and figuratively speaking due to the fact that they inspire others to take the more peaceful approach when coming into conflict, other than encouraging misguided or otherwise dangerous people to use the killing method to do what they believe is "the right thing". Although killing may seem like the more effective way to save lives, the influence it would have on bystanders and others who look up to you would be enormously dangerous.
8:00 Killing Nobu is obviously his way of indulging the Devil. He is well aware that Nobu can't truly be killed.
Do a video about Kingsman
This made both season extra better.
He needs to do a video on Bojack horseman
In all seriousness, this vid is excellent. Well done!
you do a whole episode saying things that are unique to daredevil's character only to end by saying he is a batman ripoff wtf
Hey Jared. I'm Jamaican so would love to see you have fun with the Philosophy of Cool Runnings, and the Philosophy of Usain Bolt🙂
Excuse me? Daredevil is a Batman ripoff?? Do your fucking research. Batman was a fucking shit character until Daredevil came out and then DC copied Daredevil.
this
Ur right the only thing Batman and Daredevil have in common is that Ben Affleck fucked them up
I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that the first 20+ years of Batman was bad. Daredevil didn't come out until 1964.
Batman himself is a ripoff of old character called the Shadow.
i smell a fanboy
I know you briefly covered the punisher in this video but it would be awesome if you discussed the new Netflix series!